“It’s a very chronically online administration,” he said. “With how short people’s attention spans are, you have to make [things] interesting.” Not all of the White House’s efforts have been received smoothly on the right: Pearson believes the administration’s decision to distribute portions of the Epstein files to 15 right-wing creators last year was “a misstep.”
For Abughazaleh, a former Media Matters reporter, the administration’s embrace of the internet signals something far more nefarious. Abughazaleh brought up the Department of Education’s recent use of the “Malfoid” meme—a gender-bent Harry Potter fascist figurehead—which, she said, was being promoted for a too-online audience of “incels.” And the White House’s embrace of “AI slop and brutality,” seen in ads about ICE actions, was turning “cruelty into content” rather than informing people, she says.
“They’re trying to ruin your attention span,” she said.
Abughazaleh and Pearson are pretty far apart on the political spectrum. The WIRED forum included some testy exchanges, including whether or not ICE facilities can be called “concentration camps”—a term Abughazaleh, who was arrested for protesting outside an ICE facility last year, used consistently (the charges were dropped after allegations of misconduct by prosecutors before a grand jury)—and whether or not Elon Musk had turned X into a “bastion of free speech,” according to Pearson.
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But both agreed that reliance on algorithms is increasingly making echo chambers with young Americans of both parties.
“Algorithms show us what you want to see,” Pearson said, mentioning that his friends on the left will sometimes send him articles on political topics he simply hasn’t seen before. “The deeper question is, is that good for society or for democracy?”
On this, Abughazaleh agrees. “We have no shared reality,” she added.